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1 Reply by amfa 2012-04-17 17:55:45
ok.. if you read below the part you copied in your previous post it same the exact same thing i wrote in my post.
as far as i can see in the translation from google.
Except for one thing and i dont know if this is translation error or not:
Not only the author is allowed to sell the software, everyone has the right to do so
You can in fact sell GPL licences software.
I Think this is the right party of it.
Это то, что я знал и видел в GPL до недавнего времени.
Открытое, закрытое… Деньги давай!
Как оказалось, я глубоко заблуждался. На самом деле GPL тоже можно продавать.
EDIT:
And one addition which comes to my mind.
You can for example actually buy linux OS, which is GPL software as well.
It is even sold in a box from the shelf of a shop.
So someone could use TemplateCMS or Monstra make a fancy box and sell it at a shop.
This would be no violation of the GPL licence, as long as the sourcecode is within the same box our could be
obtained in the same shop for the same or lower cost (e.g. in another box)
I used Google Translate to translate this.. but this does not make it more right than before.
I dont know where you get those information. And I'm pretty sure there are many many misunderstandings of the GNU GPL.
But if you have a look at my link.. it's from the GNU Organisation itself.. so I think they know what their licence allow and what not.
And I don't how they could make in clearer than this:
Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money?
Yes [...]
The only thing you have to do is do contribute the source code with this.
So if someone used TemplateCMS made his own version thats totally fine.. he even is allowed to sell it BUT
if he does not give you his source code with it it's against the GPL. If he does then there is no problem at all (except for the moral issues with this but I'm talking only about legal issues at the moment).
If i want to i could immediatly start a fork with Monstra call it "Steal CMS" change the Monstra logo and sell my "Steal CMS" to everyone who want's to have a copy.
But i have to distribute the source code under the GPL licence which means everyone who bought a copy can distribute it by himself as he whishes and i have to include a text file which mentions the authors.
period.
Now that's a good example of "propriety theft".
He could have white labeled almost anything but he needed to provide you as the author/creator of that CMS and also he can't sell the altered CMS to his clients because the open-source GPL license prohibits that.
See the difference?
Well he can sell the altered CMS to his clients but he has to mention the original Authors (for example in an AUTHORS file) AND he has to distribute the (altered) source code unter the same conditions (so even paying for the source is ok).
But after one person has bought the altered software this person can distribute the altered software as he likes.
e.g. give it away for free making changes etc.
Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money? (#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney)
Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one exception is the required written offer to provide source code that must accompany binary-only release.)
Does the GPL allow me to charge a fee for downloading the program from my site?
Yes. You can charge any fee you wish for distributing a copy of the program. If you distribute binaries by download, you must provide “equivalent access” to download the source—therefore, the fee to download source may not be greater than the fee to download the binary.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.htm … mmercially
I can't open the images you posted in the moment (my companies proxy is blocking nearly every filesharing site)
Hey I don't want to steal Monstra or whatever.
I just wanted to point out that you can not enforce (user notable) copyright notices or logos with the GPL.
That was the question in the first post in this thread.
So I answered the question.
But if you don't like the answer which is indeed yes instead of no as you pointed out in your answer, than the GPL was the wrong decisition for Monstra.
EDIT:
and this is true also for TemplateCMS.
Just don't use the GPL if you ever want to make a new project.
5 Reply by amfa 2012-04-17 13:49:28
Well..
I know that it does not matter if the language is Russian or English for the GPL
But according to the English article you dont have to contribute your changes to the community as long as you use the software just for yourself and don't distribute it. So one of the articles is definitly wrong.
But what i can definitly do is to create a fork of monstra and then remove your logos and all references to monstra.
I don't plan to do this. I just wanted to point out that the GPL is not a good idea if you want your users to have the "Monstra branding" leave within the application.
Hi I made a German translation maybe you can add it to the list:
http://www.polizei-staat.de/uploads/b784c74d/de.zip
I don't know the GNU GPL in detail.
But I had a look at the english wikipedia article where i found the following text:
For example, a public web portal running a modified derivative of a GPL'ed content management system is not required to distribute its changes to the underlying software because its output is not a derivative.
Source: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License
That means as far as I understand, I can make changes to the software (e.g. removing Monstra Logo and references) and the GNU GPL is fine with that if i just use this for my own website and do not distribute this.
If you want that your user must leave the monstra logo in the software you may use another licence.
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